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Sporkboy wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:55 pm
TheJohnP wrote:Does look to have taken a lot of cues from that vintage AP.
Not sure if that bothers anyone, but certainly isn't an issue for me.
It shouldn’t bother me at all, it it does a little. This isn’t a clone, but takes cues from the previous watch. I am OK with that, but it feels as if the inspiration was hidden from those to which it was marketed.

Maybe it was mentioned in the Kickstarter, please let me know if it was. If there isn’t admission of this someplace then it may eat away at me.

I know a sub homage when I see one, and know what I am getting into when I buy one. When work is presented as original and unique when inspired by something else then this starts to get to me.

It could be that the design did come up independently and it just so happens that the idea came up before. It’s just hard to know.
I feel exactly this way about it. Had no idea there was anything like it prior, and it seems to take a number of cues and inspiration from that AP. Still, I like it a lot.
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Rabirnie wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:44 am
CitizenV wrote:
Rabirnie wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:49 am I received the email as well. Was really looking forward to the burgundy strap, but figure a black cordovan strap is better than a $20 refund. Not a fan of black straps though, so this might be a quick sell.
I was as well, but after I got that email and thought about it, I actually don't have much use for a thick burgundy strap. Most of my 20mm lug watches that I'd pair with thick strap would be better suited with a black strap. I think it works out better for my collection, and I can use my existing burgundy cordovan strap for my Codek.
See I don’t have a burgundy strap, but liked the idea of the contrast it would offer from the blue dial. I have zero attraction to black leather straps. Maybe that will change over time, but man I just don’t enjoy them.


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Oh that's unfortunate :( . I agree about the pairing. I find brown/burgundy looks better with blue than black.

Do you already have a burgundy strap picked out? One option is Fluco from sandtuhr on eBay. He has decent prices on Horween cordovan straps, and also stocks seconds, but I don't see any in burgundy. These are the same as what Nomos uses.
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TheJohnP wrote:That is awesome [mention]quincas[/mention]!
Thanks, buddy!
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Rabirnie wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:44 am
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I was as well, but after I got that email and thought about it, I actually don't have much use for a thick burgundy strap. Most of my 20mm lug watches that I'd pair with thick strap would be better suited with a black strap. I think it works out better for my collection, and I can use my existing burgundy cordovan strap for my Codek.
See I don’t have a burgundy strap, but liked the idea of the contrast it would offer from the blue dial. I have zero attraction to black leather straps. Maybe that will change over time, but man I just don’t enjoy them.


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Oh that's unfortunate :( . I agree about the pairing. I find brown/burgundy looks better with blue than black.

Do you already have a burgundy strap picked out? One option is Fluco from sandtuhr on eBay. He has decent prices on Horween cordovan straps, and also stocks seconds, but I don't see any in burgundy. These are the same as what Nomos uses.
Yes, but it’s all good. I’m still excited about the watch and appreciate Chris providing a couple of options. I’m sure at this point he’s just ready for all of this to be over.

I do not have a burgundy strap picked out yet, but that might just fit the bill! I appreciate you providing a great looking option. May have to wait and offload my black strap before purchasing another leather because I have been on a spending tear lately with watches. That and issues with home AC and car have made September an expensive month!


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Something interesting and I'll let you be the judge.

I receive an email within 24 hrs. after the order for the Blue version with Shell cordovan burgundy (Email with Order confirmation received within 24 hr.s after the order placed). Order AFAIK was placed as soon as this deal was posted within the HUISAB thread, so definitely not among the last orders.

After several days pass (ostensibly for the watch to be regulated and shipped on the 18th), I receive an email from Chris saying he's out of Burgundy straps and that the only options are: Black horween OR watch without strap + $20 refund. So I send an email requesting for the refund of $20 (shell cordovan in black sucks) requesting confirmation that at least the box will be sent with the watch.

Another 24 hrs. pass and I get another email saying the option provided earlier is no longer on the table. I get the watch (that's it) and no refund. Take it or leave it.

Got a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that this guy was scummy as hell or maybe I'm overthinking it. TBH, if he'd just come clean and mentioned to all customers that the discounts were too good and everyone needs to pony up a little more (For e.g. $20) I would have gladly gone for it.

Now I just feel this guy can't be trusted with a barge pole for anything (as my BFF says, his word ain't worth crap). Or maybe I'm just overthinking everything. Half a mind to cancel the whole thing and request a full refund.
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horonewbie wrote:Something interesting and I'll let you be the judge.

I receive an email within 24 hrs. after the order for the Blue version with Shell cordovan burgundy (Email with Order confirmation received within 24 hr.s after the order placed). Order AFAIK was placed as soon as this deal was posted within the HUISAB thread, so definitely not among the last orders.

After several days pass (ostensibly for the watch to be regulated and shipped on the 18th), I receive an email from Chris saying he's out of Burgundy straps and that the only options are: Black horween OR watch without strap + $20 refund. So I send an email requesting for the refund of $20 (shell cordovan in black sucks) requesting confirmation that at least the box will be sent with the watch.

Another 24 hrs. pass and I get another email saying the option provided earlier is no longer on the table. I get the watch (that's it) and no refund. Take it or leave it.

Got a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that this guy was scummy as hell or maybe I'm overthinking it. TBH, if he'd just come clean and mentioned to all customers that the discounts were too good and everyone needs to pony up a little more (For e.g. $20) I would have gladly gone for it.

Now I just feel this guy can't be trusted with a barge pole for anything (as my BFF says, his word ain't worth crap). Or maybe I'm just overthinking everything. Half a mind to cancel the whole thing and request a full refund.
Interesting, because I got his email and figured I would just swap to black shell even though I don’t like black straps. Got shipping notice late last night and now you have me wondering if I’m just going to get a watch head and no strap and no refund... will let you all know how it turns out!


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horonewbie wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:20 am Something interesting and I'll let you be the judge.

I receive an email within 24 hrs. after the order for the Blue version with Shell cordovan burgundy (Email with Order confirmation received within 24 hr.s after the order placed). Order AFAIK was placed as soon as this deal was posted within the HUISAB thread, so definitely not among the last orders.

After several days pass (ostensibly for the watch to be regulated and shipped on the 18th), I receive an email from Chris saying he's out of Burgundy straps and that the only options are: Black horween OR watch without strap + $20 refund. So I send an email requesting for the refund of $20 (shell cordovan in black sucks) requesting confirmation that at least the box will be sent with the watch.

Another 24 hrs. pass and I get another email saying the option provided earlier is no longer on the table. I get the watch (that's it) and no refund. Take it or leave it.

Got a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that this guy was scummy as hell or maybe I'm overthinking it. TBH, if he'd just come clean and mentioned to all customers that the discounts were too good and everyone needs to pony up a little more (For e.g. $20) I would have gladly gone for it.

Now I just feel this guy can't be trusted with a barge pole for anything (as my BFF says, his word ain't worth crap). Or maybe I'm just overthinking everything. Half a mind to cancel the whole thing and request a full refund.

That is an odd situation you ended up finding yourself being in.
From my email interactions with Chris, he seemed pretty straightforward, albeit pretty burned out on watches.
This is going to be a one and done for Codek, so I'm sure he's just looking to wrap this up as quickly as possible.
Doesn't explain his actions in any way, just a perspective.
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horonewbie wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:20 am ...
Got a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that this guy was scummy as hell or maybe I'm overthinking it. TBH, if he'd just come clean and mentioned to all customers that the discounts were too good and everyone needs to pony up a little more (For e.g. $20) I would have gladly gone for it.

Now I just feel this guy can't be trusted with a barge pole for anything (as my BFF says, his word ain't worth crap). Or maybe I'm just overthinking everything. Half a mind to cancel the whole thing and request a full refund.
:roll:

One of this site's hallmarks is a constructive and respectful discourse, and I find it distasteful for a member (a very new one, at that) to make borderline defamatory statements about Codek's founder based on a single email exchange. There's more than one possible explanation for his situation.

This is all a developing story, so some of us buyers will have to wait and see what happens. I got the same email from Chris yesterday offering a black Cordovan in place of burgundy, etc., and opted for the black. Shipping notification not yet received, but I'm inclined to give Chris the benefit of the doubt. There may be some glitches in the fire sale, but bringing a new watch to market would be a lot of work and there were obviously talented people involved. Maybe a simple case of burnout. By all accounts the Spiral is a remarkable microbrand watch, now at a bargain-basement price, and in a way I'm sorry to see it.

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Based on all the interactions I have had with Chris, I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Let me be clear, my intent wasn't to defame anyone. I just stated what happened to me (and what I felt afterwards) and from the looks of it, I apparently am not alone (based on another post on this forum). If anyone else encountered the same situation, I'm 100% sure they would have felt likewise. I've also mentioned self-doubt regarding what I felt in my post. But with me not being the only one who was subjected to this type of service, I feel somewhat vindicated (though not much better about the transaction as a whole).

My being a new member has nothing to do with anything if what I've stated is true (neither does someone being an old member, make everything they state the gospel).

Glitches or otherwise, if you can't fulfill the orders, just state so (this ain't the watch people were dying to get). From a rational POV, it seems like someone saw the demand for the product and decided "Hmmm, maybe I can make a bit more money than I anticipated initially. So let me go back and give the customers a - 'My way or the Highway' edict.
Klaatu3 wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:46 pm
horonewbie wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:20 am ...
Got a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that this guy was scummy as hell or maybe I'm overthinking it. TBH, if he'd just come clean and mentioned to all customers that the discounts were too good and everyone needs to pony up a little more (For e.g. $20) I would have gladly gone for it.

Now I just feel this guy can't be trusted with a barge pole for anything (as my BFF says, his word ain't worth crap). Or maybe I'm just overthinking everything. Half a mind to cancel the whole thing and request a full refund.
:roll:

One of this site's hallmarks is a constructive and respectful discourse, and I find it distasteful for a member (a very new one, at that) to make borderline defamatory statements about Codek's founder based on a single email exchange. There's more than one possible explanation for his situation.

This is all a developing story, so some of us buyers will have to wait and see what happens. I got the same email from Chris yesterday offering a black Cordovan in place of burgundy, etc., and opted for the black. Shipping notification not yet received, but I'm inclined to give Chris the benefit of the doubt. There may be some glitches in the fire sale, but bringing a new watch to market would be a lot of work and there were obviously talented people involved. Maybe a simple case of burnout. By all accounts the Spiral is a remarkable microbrand watch, now at a bargain-basement price, and in a way I'm sorry to see it.

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Klaatu3 wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:46 pmThis is all a developing story, so some of us buyers will have to wait and see what happens. I got the same email from Chris yesterday offering a black Cordovan in place of burgundy, etc., and opted for the black. Shipping notification not yet received, but I'm inclined to give Chris the benefit of the doubt.
I choose the same option, and got a shipping notification (label created) early this morning.
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horonewbie wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:54 pm Let me be clear, my intent wasn't to defame anyone. I just stated what happened to me (and what I felt afterwards) and from the looks of it, I apparently am not alone (based on another post on this forum). If anyone else encountered the same situation, I'm 100% sure they would have felt likewise. I've also mentioned self-doubt regarding what I felt in my post. But with me not being the only one who was subjected to this type of service, I feel somewhat vindicated (though not much better about the transaction as a whole).

My being a new member has nothing to do with anything if what I've stated is true (neither does someone being an old member, make everything they state the gospel).

Glitches or otherwise, if you can't fulfill the orders, just state so (this ain't the watch people were dying to get). From a rational POV, it seems like someone saw the demand for the product and decided "Hmmm, maybe I can make a bit more money than I anticipated initially. So let me go back and give the customers a - 'My way or the Highway' edict.
Klaatu3 wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:46 pm
horonewbie wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:20 am ...
Got a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that this guy was scummy as hell or maybe I'm overthinking it. TBH, if he'd just come clean and mentioned to all customers that the discounts were too good and everyone needs to pony up a little more (For e.g. $20) I would have gladly gone for it.

Now I just feel this guy can't be trusted with a barge pole for anything (as my BFF says, his word ain't worth crap). Or maybe I'm just overthinking everything. Half a mind to cancel the whole thing and request a full refund.
:roll:

One of this site's hallmarks is a constructive and respectful discourse, and I find it distasteful for a member (a very new one, at that) to make borderline defamatory statements about Codek's founder based on a single email exchange. There's more than one possible explanation for his situation.

This is all a developing story, so some of us buyers will have to wait and see what happens. I got the same email from Chris yesterday offering a black Cordovan in place of burgundy, etc., and opted for the black. Shipping notification not yet received, but I'm inclined to give Chris the benefit of the doubt. There may be some glitches in the fire sale, but bringing a new watch to market would be a lot of work and there were obviously talented people involved. Maybe a simple case of burnout. By all accounts the Spiral is a remarkable microbrand watch, now at a bargain-basement price, and in a way I'm sorry to see it.

Cheers
I posted this over in the "Bargains" thread, but probably more appropriate here. (And for the record, I think what really is "distasteful" here is the way in this was handled by Codek)...

NAD. Regarding Codek...if this is how he ran his business while he was actually still "in business", I could see why he's in Fire Sale mode now. I canceled my order and requested an immediate refund, so somebody else will end up with just my blue watch head.

Codek Watches <chris@codekwatches.com>
Fri 9/20/2019 12:59 AM
Hello D,

Unfortunately I have too many competing orders and too few straps left. So I won't be able to fulfill all of the orders and many will get cancelled unfortunately. So if you'd like to keep your order, the stipulation is that you'd need to accept the watch with no strap with no partial refund of $20. If you are okay with this, then you'll be in the batch that receives the watch. If you aren't okay with this, then i'll have to cancel your order and refund since I simply can't fulfill the order. I hope you understand, let me know.

Best regards,
Chris

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 9:27 AM Dumber Drummer <dumberdrummer@hotmail.com> wrote:
Chris,

The Black Shell Cordovan will be fine (unless, of course, a tan cordovan strap magically appeared😉). Appreciate you letting me know and for offering me the option.

Best, D.
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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:33 AM
To: Codek Watches <chris@codekwatches.com>
Subject: Codek Watches - Burgundy Straps

Hello,

Regarding your Codek Watches order that you placed a few days ago - I got the last batch of watches back from the watchmaker today, and after sorting out all of the orders, I found out that I oversold a few units of the Burgundy Shell Cordovan strap. Unfortunately, you were among the last to purchase it. I have a very limited quantity of Black Shell Cordovan straps that exchange for the Burgundy. Or I can deliver the watch without a strap with a $20 refund. Or I can cancel your order if you aren't happy with either of those options. Please let me know and I apologize for the inconvenience.

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yinzburgher wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:01 pm
yinzburgher wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:43 am
yinzburgher wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:01 pm Opaline white dial with a burgundy shell cordovan strap incoming! It appears all of the white dial options have now sold out.

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Looks like I won't be getting this. The white dial was oversold by 4 units and I'm one of the unlucky four. I may still be able to get a blue dial but I'm not certain. If I do, I'm hoping I can still get it with shell cordovan but it is sounding less likely that any strap options are available. I'm a little disappointed as I had my mind made up decisively in favor of white over blue but I'm hopeful I can still get a watch.
OK, it seems I should be getting a midnight blue on a black shell cordovan strap. This would not have been my first choice but I don't dislike the blue by any means and I'm sure I'll be able to find a strap to go with the watch. Also, it is only $130! And it is tough to turn down a Hadley Roma shell cordovan strap for $20 when you consider you can buy this watch head/case only for $110. I can foresee maybe keeping the black strap, wearing and enjoying this watch for a while and then moving it along. If anyone out there with a white dial would prefer the blue, send a message. I would probably be interested in a trade.

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My Spiral shipped on 9/11 and was delivered on 9/13 but I'm away from home so I wasn't able to catch up with it for a while. I like it but I can't help but think I would have liked the white more. I just see myself wearing and enjoying that one more. I'm debating whether to buy a review/display white dial for $145 and sell this one. It's just the watch with no box, no strap, no warranty. But I'm sure if I think on it too much more I'll miss my chance. [emoji848]
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horonewbie wrote:Let me be clear, my intent wasn't to defame anyone. I just stated what happened to me (and what I felt afterwards) and from the looks of it, I apparently am not alone (based on another post on this forum). If anyone else encountered the same situation, I'm 100% sure they would have felt likewise. I've also mentioned self-doubt regarding what I felt in my post. But with me not being the only one who was subjected to this type of service, I feel somewhat vindicated (though not much better about the transaction as a whole).

My being a new member has nothing to do with anything if what I've stated is true (neither does someone being an old member, make everything they state the gospel).

Glitches or otherwise, if you can't fulfill the orders, just state so (this ain't the watch people were dying to get). From a rational POV, it seems like someone saw the demand for the product and decided "Hmmm, maybe I can make a bit more money than I anticipated initially. So let me go back and give the customers a - 'My way or the Highway' edict.
Klaatu3 wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:46 pm
horonewbie wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:20 am ...
Got a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that this guy was scummy as hell or maybe I'm overthinking it. TBH, if he'd just come clean and mentioned to all customers that the discounts were too good and everyone needs to pony up a little more (For e.g. $20) I would have gladly gone for it.

Now I just feel this guy can't be trusted with a barge pole for anything (as my BFF says, his word ain't worth crap). Or maybe I'm just overthinking everything. Half a mind to cancel the whole thing and request a full refund.
:roll:

One of this site's hallmarks is a constructive and respectful discourse, and I find it distasteful for a member (a very new one, at that) to make borderline defamatory statements about Codek's founder based on a single email exchange. There's more than one possible explanation for his situation.

This is all a developing story, so some of us buyers will have to wait and see what happens. I got the same email from Chris yesterday offering a black Cordovan in place of burgundy, etc., and opted for the black. Shipping notification not yet received, but I'm inclined to give Chris the benefit of the doubt. There may be some glitches in the fire sale, but bringing a new watch to market would be a lot of work and there were obviously talented people involved. Maybe a simple case of burnout. By all accounts the Spiral is a remarkable microbrand watch, now at a bargain-basement price, and in a way I'm sorry to see it.

Cheers
I was gonna say that I don't think he is trying to eek more money out of people, but after you and another posted mentioned that he rescinded his offer of $20 off, I am inclined to say that maybe he is. I know he is probably just going nuts trying to keep up with the firesale, and I can understand that. I got the same email about the burgundy strap and switched to black, even though I am NEVER dressed up enough to warrant a black strap. Not even on my wedding day lol!

Either way, I think he could have handled it better, but is just going through a tough time. I can't imagine putting that amount of time and effort into a project and then having to fire sale them. It's got to be heartbreaking, and I feel for him so I personally am gonna cut him some slack. He's probably just completely and utterly burnt out on this whole thing right now.

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Hey guys, I didn’t get chance to read whole thread, particularly last few posts but I ordered in last few days but did not see any shipping notification yet. I sent an email to Chris yesterday night but haven’t heard back yet.
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